The Hell You Want Is, How Do You Pay Your Bills?

"i'm more and more confident just to go up and not even show my work," he says. "You're discounting graphic design by being this sort of, like, you know, not like you're missing the point, ma'am." 'I love talking about working for my buddies or something small that was risky,. That turned into something really, really cool now,' he adds. "'It's a different thing than working for your body', i've been told many times in life.'"