Yeah, that doesn't mean you need to go high church, Anglican and burn incense and wear robes. Nice. Not just creating curating spaces of quiet. Yeah. Nothing wrong with robes, by the way, but I don't think I could do it. And I'm not calling out. Not sophisticated enough.

I mean, I've been going to like a, the church I go to here in this town is an Anglican, sort of high Anglican. There's lots of people over 70. It's probably where the only people under 70, I think who goes like 20 people. And I miss and long for so much of the charismatic sort of stuff of my previous vineyard church that I was working at. But I also love that on a Sunday morning, I go there and my soul distills. There's space and there's an opportunity to just exhale. And often I don't realize how little I've done it until I turn up and someone else is asking me to slow down on their time. And I'm like, wow, okay, Jesus, I'm present. I'm awakening. I'm here. And so what does it look like to kind of even ask the question, what if the concert model or the theater model isn't the only model? And if it's not, how do we re kind of redo that in our time and place for these noise refugees in the world that I think are just in disparate need?

You know, this morning I finished reading a book, a secular book by a journalist from Men's Health. That was kind of a rewilding the world kind of, you know, get out into nature kind of book. But he had a whole section on silence and a bunch of data that I wasn't familiar with. And he was writing about how in every other area of our life, the modern world has lowered sensory input. So for example, we have HVAC, we'd call it heating and air conditioning. So our body doesn't have to adjust to extreme temperatures like it used to. And we have soft beds that we sleep on. So our body doesn't have to adjust to a hard or rocky ground to sleep on at night. With the exception of sound. And there's all this data that basically says the world is at least four times louder than it has been for tens of thousands of years. In modern history. And he had all this fascinating like neurobiological kind of data on how the human brain either evolved or grew or however, whatever your opinion is to interpret loud noises as threats. So in a pre-modern, pre-industrial technological world, if you're out in nature, there's constant noise like nature is actually quiet and noisy at the same time. But if you hear something loud, it is likely something dangerous, not necessarily. But the odds are very high. Loud in nature is a threat. And so the brain is still wired to interpret noise above a certain decibel range as a threat. And so living in a city, living in a world, driving your car down the freeway to work, your body, even if your mind doesn't, you know, think of it that way, is in fight or flight just because of the noise that you're in. And there's all this data around this now. And so I thought, man, if that's the world we live in, and so much of prayer is about learning to be safe in the love of God, then surely quiet must play some kind of a role in the future of the church, you know?

Yeah, man. Oh, dude, I love that. And that actually helps to make a lot of sense for me because just before COVID hit, we moved out of a city. So we've been living in the city in Auckland and New Zealand.