David Perry: I know there are a subset of people listening to this conversation who are thinking anxiety. And I'm really looking for some ways to move forward and move through that a bit. As you've been doing work, supporting people over the last few years, what's something that not too distant past that you've changed your mind on? David Perry: There's so much here and there's tons more in the book. So I'd invite folks to really grab the book for more.
Morra Aarons-Mele: The Anxious Achiever
Morra Aarons-Mele is the host of The Anxious Achiever, a top-10 management podcast that helps people rethink the relationship between their mental health and their leadership. Morra founded Women Online and The Mission List, an award-winning digital-consulting firm and influencer marketing company dedicated to social change, in 2010 and sold her business in 2021.
She helped Hillary Clinton log on for her first internet chat and has launched digital campaigns for President Obama, Malala Yousafzai, the United Nations, the CDC, and many other leading figures and organizations. She is the author of The Anxious Achiever: Turn Your Biggest Fears into Your Leadership Superpower*.
In this conversation, Morra and I discuss some key tactics that help leaders release just a bit of control. Since control is often driven by fear, we can let go of some control by making small shifts in our practices, awareness, and planning. We also explore how to set boundaries that will help us lead in ways that are more helpful to others — and ourselves.
Key Points
Control is often caused by fear. Optimism can be a bit of an antidote to it.
Adopt a practice mindset by making small shifts to endure uncomfortable things.
Practice open awareness throughs surrender; the opposite of controlling and micromanaging.
Get clear on scheduling, deadlines, longer term career goals. Those provide a healthy illusion of control.
Create a distinction between having an emotion and being the emotion.
Begin setting boundaries by noticing when you are moving from comfort to discomfort.
Resources Mentioned
The Anxious Achiever: Turn Your Biggest Fears into Your Leadership Superpower* by Morra Aarons-Mele
The Anxious Achiever podcast
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