We can sometimes become more educated and more aware, but then it turns into kind of this transactional thing. That's why you are expecting shared responsibility from us as visually as disabled people to come up and educate us. And disability and language is another area in which I'm not going to really delve now because it will drift us away. It's about the attitude and barriers. We have come across it but we took much care about it. Right discourse can make it really different.

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