I would recommend it to anybody and there's this idea that investing is a very personal journey. You cannot step into somebody else's shoes you have to stay in your own shoes. I'm pretty sure Phil you've done this kind of thing probably both of you having lived in Wyoming but not far away from hereThere's an indoor climbing center where you step over a sort of the safe place and you're strapped in but something is like a hundred feet below. There's that transition from being on terra firmer to being out there or you know there's that feeling when you  have to lean back and trust the rope which is a great analogy. Some people love it, some people