Jacob Dunne killed someone as a teenager, how did he seek forgiveness from his victim’s parents? What is restorative justice? How did Jacob’s experience of the criminal justice system compel him to become a campaigner for this alternative idea of justice? How does James Graham believe drama encourages us to have the difficult conversations necessary to build a better world?

Rory and Alastair are joined by playwright James Graham and campaigner Jacob Dunne, who co-created the award-winning play The Punch which depicts Jacob’s path to restorative justice.

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Find out more about the Common Ground Justice Project at www.commongroundjustice.uk

Sign Jacob’s petition to widen victims’ access to Restorative Justice at www.RightToBeHeard.org.

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