Liberals, Material Interests, and Change

In this chapter, they discuss the frustration with the lack of action towards phasing out fossil fuels and the naivety of expecting change without addressing material interests. They also criticize the lack of trust in everyday people and the preference for an enlightened voice to guide them. The conversation touches on the impact of liberalism on the population and education system, reinforcing the idea that people are too stupid to make liberalism work in their favor.