"Leadership is me checking on him and he checking on me, holding him accountable when I think he's off on something, right? And him doing the same for me. How about upward leadership?" "It's got to be tough for some of these guys in higher positions to make decisions,. And no, they're not popular," Ritter adds. 'I would that if my podcast co-hosted my online training for me, I think that would be pretty good'

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