Intro

The intense fallout from Alex Pretti’s death has forced President Trump to publicly change course in Minneapolis.The White House reporters Zolan Kanno-Youngs and Tyler Pager discuss the changes, and whether they are real or merely symbolic.

Guest:

• Zolan Kanno-Youngs, a White House correspondent for The New York Times, covering President Trump and his administration.
• Tyler Pager, a White House correspondent for The New York Times, covering President Trump and his administration.

Background reading:

• Greg Bovino, the Border Patrol official leading an aggressive immigration crackdown, was pulled from Minneapolis as the White House tries to distance the president from the uproar over Mr. Pretti’s killing.
• Here’s how the Trump administration rushed to judgment in the shooting of Mr. Pretti.
• Republicans in Congress are shifting their tone after the killings in Minneapolis, criticizing Mr. Trump’s immigration push.

Photo: David Guttenfelder/The New York Times.

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