You've mentioned a lot of times about Pulumi and CDK like many times now. Are they like the upcoming tools that we have to explore? I think so, yeah. What are some of the good things from those tools? They let you use a regular programming language and off the shelf programming language such as Python or Java. And then simply for packaging up your code and versioning it and promoting it in like an artifactory repository is just way beyond what you can do with more infrastructure focus languages like HCL.

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