In this episode of The Dept. Omar sits down with entrepreneur and educator Mario Payne to break down what it really takes to build a sustainable business online without chasing hype or shortcuts. Together, they unpack the mindset shifts creators need to make as they transition from trading time for money to building scalable offers, how to price with confidence, and why simplicity and consistency beat complexity every time. Mario shares hard-earned lessons from his journey, including how to identify what people will actually pay for, how to position your expertise clearly, and how to grow without burning yourself out. If you’re trying to turn your knowledge into real income and build a business that lasts, this conversation will give you clarity and direction.
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