When you're at a start up, the mistakes are not expensive. When you're big, then your every move matters and every mistake is quite expensive. And so careful is not a bug. It's a feature when it's a big company. So they don't take, they don't try to make too many mistakes by going too fast. A lot of the cool shit is completely illogical or really stupid. The best stuff starts that way. This podcast, you called it my first million, pretty horrible name. My thing was called the hustle, pretty bad name. That's kind of like not like when I pitch it to bigger companies, they go, this is stupid.

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