This week's episode of the dig is brought to you by our listeners who support us at petrieand dot com. Find a revolutionary for our time at haymarket books, where readers in the us can buy titles perfect for dig listeners like you. This week's re run is my interview with adon gatachio on her book, world making after empire,. It's from nearly three years ago, october 20, nineteenth. And i'm also posting it to day because this episode pares really well with last week's interview with kojo koram and the aftermath of empire.