Paul versus Jesus: historical roots of doctrine

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In this wide-ranging and deeply personal conversation, Will Wright sits down with comedian, broadcaster, and author John Fugelsang to unpack how Christianity became entangled with political power - and how the teachings of Jesus have been distorted to justify cruelty, exclusion, and authoritarianism.

Drawing from his book Separation of Church and Hate, Fugelsang challenges the idea that modern right-wing politics reflect Christian values. He walks through how scripture is selectively weaponized around issues like immigration, LGBTQ rights, abortion, gun policy, and punishment, while the actual teachings of Jesus - care for the poor, welcome the stranger, reject violence, and show mercy - are ignored.

The discussion moves beyond critique and toward hope. Fugelsang reflects on his unusual upbringing as the son of a former nun and Franciscan brother, his journey through faith and doubt, and why he still believes Jesus matters even for people who have deconstructed organized religion. Together, Will and John explore what a healthier relationship between faith and public life could look like - one rooted in compassion rather than dominance, and transformation rather than fear.

This episode is an honest, challenging, and often humorous examination of what it really means to follow Jesus in a polarized political age. 

Buy Separation of Church and Hate
A Sane Person's Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing Frauds: https://bookshop.org/a/112456/9781668066898

Guest Bio
John Fugelsang is an actor, comedian, broadcaster, and political commentator known for blending humor, history, and faith-based critique. He hosts nightly programming on SiriusXM Insight and the daily John Fugelsang Podcast. A former host of America’s Funniest Home Videos, Fugelsang has become a leading voice confronting Christian nationalism and religious hypocrisy with wit and moral clarity. His latest book, Separation of Church and Hate, offers a guide to challenging extremist theology using the Bible itself.

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