Are We Going in the Wrong Direction?

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The number of inter racial marriages has gone up very rapidly in the country. People are less and less likely to say they even have friends of different political persuasions. But if you marry a cethic, or he marry somebody ferent race, those numbers are heading in the right direction. We need institutions and society emphasize what we have in common, but try to create spaces where people come to trust each other.

Yascha Mounk is a professor at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, a contributing writer at The Atlantic, and the founder of Persuasion. His new book, The Great Experiment: Why Diverse Democracies Fall Apart and How They Can Endure, was published this week.

In this week’s conversation, Ravi Gupta and Yascha Mounk discuss why it is so hard to build diverse democracies, how we can overcome the deeply human instinct to discriminate against those unlike ourselves, and why he remains optimistic about the prospects of the “great experiment.”

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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