I feel like there's this false dichotomy that's created sometimes when you've got vegans arguing against people who are more ancestrally minded, right? It's either your diet includes these seed oils in significant amounts, or it's like you're eating a very high saturated fat diet. That's the argument that they make and it's a false dichotomy. Most people wouldn't be eating all saturated fat. They would probably be getting 30% protein, 30% fat, and then the remaining 30% carbohydrates. And what they wouldn't be getting is a lot of refined carbohydrates, although I don't think that's that much of a big deal. There are diseases that are clearly

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