I think if we had another two hours, it would be really interesting to go more into the tension or this perceived tension that I think is deliberately hammed up. Maybe if I'm too guilty, I'll invite you back on to discuss the tension between us. Greg Enriquez gives a big picture model that restructures our scientific understanding. He calls it crossing the Enlightenment gap, the gap that the Enlightenment created. If you want to learn more about the meaning crisis, I've put links to John's work over on planetcritical.com.

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