Do you see that sort of behavior in cash games? certainly less often I think the main time you see it is when someone who's used to playing higher sticks like comes down and plays one two or something. The only way they can entertain themselves is by building stacks with all these you know chips that are just the pittance to them That's funny for me I don't play much live and when I do its tournaments and when I doing that I late read so it's easier for me to figure out what the effective stack is because it's me I'm the shortest guy there and is mainly push-fold.