"I literally had this red backpack with a zip lock bag of the prototype in it from the mill and a color copy of the packaging that my friend and I had created on her computer. And so that was my presentation and 15, five minutes into it, I'm totally losing her," she says. "She took one look at it and goes, it's brilliant. I get it." She adds: "You have to get skin in the game. You can't be like every other presentation".

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