Lenny has paved the path around like, here's the things you got to do. Maybe closer analogy is like Turner Novak, who as far as I know, didn't have a huge operating background, but is just really smart and has detailed and deep insights on consumer stuff or investing stuff. If you can take some meaningful amount of equity and I'm not sure what that is, like anywhere between 30-70% depending on the deal, I think that could be exciting to him. So if you can actually do that, then it's worth paying, you know, the percentage that YC takes.

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