You Know What That Manager Paycheck Looks Like?

When you hit 25ish, you're kind of like, oh, you see older people in that scene. And then yeah, you start to realize like, okay, I should at least pay attention to the future. "I've been not paying attention for so long that I wasn't even looking outside of my like trajectory," he says. 'If you don't know that there's an objective, you better start paying attention to this podcast'