I think people should be very skeptical of EV-TAL. We've gone through a very, very diligent process to really understand what the core problems are that we can go solve collectively. So there's a lot of uniqueness there that you wouldn't find in a traditional quote, unquote incubator. But it's so far, it's gone quite good and looking forward to continue to work with our partners to help address their issues.
The gang chats with Cyrus Sigari, whose VC firm Up Partners recently released its first Moving World Report that dissects the macro and micro trends in mobility. The conversation goes far beyond the report though. Learn how up Partners got its start, where Cyrus is investing and what Up Partners-backed startup impressed Alex.