I would say the ruinous empathy is worse in the long run and you know Kim as we when we hear stories about bad leaders and jerks. When we air on that side of challenging directly a lot but not and not caring personally very much or at least not in a parent way yeah I'm not showing that maybe we do care but we fail to show it. Sometimes you get so busy or so angry that you really don't care that does happen to us all at workYeah I think that obnoxious aggression this is this is commonly called the a-hole quadrant but there's a very specific reason why I don't call it that because this framework should be used to guide conversations not to

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