Speaker 1
So, so, you know, like intelligence is super, super important, but it's not everything, especially if, you know, it doesn't come with appropriate humility about its limits. So I think there's a great argument to be made for both of these cases. And I don't know which one is right. So I'm going to try to play in both sandboxes. You know, we need to be creating a cool movement and have that energy that people will just be attracted to. And I think there's a lot of folks on the kind of a non-dissident world who are really trying to do that. And I say more power to them. That's great. Hope you're right. Like get back to me. And I mean, I'm going to help them where I can. And then there's kind of policy nerds who are kind of trying to say, you know, actually, we just need a, you know, a better efficient frontier hypothesis. And, you know, we need a, you know, to kind of tweak the policies in this way and this way and then we'll be popular. That could also be true. I don't see it as totally at odds with the first statement. But I think we, you know, we need to work on both dimensions with a realization that we don't really know. We don't know what's going to be successful. And there's plausible arguments that either or both of them could be successful. And so we should try and with them now. If neither of them can be successful, then we're in real problem. But I'll just be measuring my cell and the gulag at that point. So, you know, sort of irrelevant. Yeah. And to me, right, this is like, yeah, I don't know if I would call myself kind of post rationalist, but a lot of the time when I'm interacting with the rationalist community, this is kind of where I get to, where it's like these, yeah, these basically like edge cases where rationalism really breaks down and breaks down in quite severe and quite frankly, like destructive ways. Yeah. And yeah. Well, thinking is overrated, you know, and this is again, painful, painful thing for people and the rationalist movement. And again, this is partially like my age now, you know, I'm just an older guy and, you know, you sort of see a little more of life and you, you have more experience that are mediated by communities that have made standards that have not been thought through, but have been passed down ultimately. And those tend to work pretty well, not always, but pretty well. But, you know, here's an argument.