When we lose a primary caregiver or both of our primary caregivers, that would then be considered like an attachment wound. So also their ability to feel safer even want to think about connecting to other people would be pretty close down shut down because of all the things that they've experienced. And also because he's continuously being, I don't know, free traumatized is too big of a word to say, but it that's kind of what it feels like keeps saying.

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