i started messing around with the ericson t thirty nine, which didn't have a jarva footprint. And then there was a lot of no keophones, anda motor roller hand sets that started to run the epoch operating system and supported java. I just remember those times when people take ut their flipphone and you could actually like, sending s m s on mobile phones in the early two thousands. It's theonwo people away, bichas, i think, why they asked me to come talk about it....