I'm often accused of being overly optimistic, but Yes. I think with hope it's the same thing being hopeful right now is not required for me to get to my destination That's interesting because no one would look at someone who's like Has hope all the time and be like that's a really hopeful person. So you just finished writing a new book that comes out in October And call what's it called building a non-anxious life? Okay, and going through this you also realized you had to go rent a hotel room to finish the book. Then when you got home you said oh wait, there's a lot of anxiety in my own life It has a lot to do with

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