Gunther's Passion for His Job and Driving the Needle

I enjoyed having some fun with him like you see on drive to survive, but also at the end of the day talking about the things that matter to him. And he clearly seems to be a mover and shaker. Among the team principals, we had that conversation about the sprint weekend in the format changing. He's such an engaging person, isn't he? So if Gunther comes up with an idea, it's suddenly going to get listened to. Everything he says I think has an element of common sense to it because it comes from a position of often survival as drive to survive or surviving to drive his book suggests. You know, he's kind of he's the classic proverbial