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How lobbying works, with super-lobbyist Tony Podesta

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

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Is Jack Abramof a Good Lobbyist?

Orell: Abramof is a symbol of lobbying, even though he violated the laws that all of us follow. There are people who engage in illegal behavior, bribing members of congress,. Orell: If it's a contest for the access to have those ideas be heard, that's a different thing. Do you think we don't pay members of congress enough? You can just make a lot more money lobbing your former friends in congress, and you can being in congress and just trying to do your work there? I think you exaggerate the number of xes, do i? I do.

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