The Unseen Shadows Podcast

Barry: Whenever I start to or or Dave does because sometimes it's Dave as well we think oh maybe we should wrap up the podcast or whatever you know. We get an email from a listener who had said that his dad had passed away and basically one of the things that had kept in going, he says. Barry: It's always good to remember to stop and consider how much you have achieved creatively over the long term even if it feels like things are moving slowly right now. If you look at things in this bigger perspective it can be surprising so next week I'm talking about different types of traditional publishing experiences with Georgina Cross.