There was a sense, I don't know where that sense is today, but there was a sense that Starship is going to be very hard to pull off. And that was really weighing, having gotten him and the team and everybody. So like to have this chaos of development is fascinating. It's funny because through that time, because I had a lot, a lot of conversations with them, I think that process was hugely stressful. But at the same time, you do have to push really hard to make rapid iteration and rapid change in progress.

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