There's an innate fascination with how the fuck you can dude. There's almost a certain glamour to it whereas nobody's talking about hitler like there's glamour right yeah so but uh no ideally because there's no glamour in it right well getting back to getting back to messiah and looking up cults which i know is a kind of odd thing to be interested in although when i admit to people that cultic leaders fascinate me I almost always get people who go on oh no no me too wellYeah i figure i can learn a lot from that guy, he says. "If we weren't morally connected what kind of damage could we do in the world exactly"