Even the most talented individuals are spending this remarkable amount of time before they actually reach kind of you know becoming a music academy. If you really are asking what somebody who is going to win in international competition spend they typically do that in their early 30s so that's like 12 years after age 20. So we estimate that20 25 000 hours is actually the amount of time that they have spent now practicing by themselves uh and i think his point here about look at these skills how long it takes for even the most quote talented individuals to attain them.

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