Alex: Where do you see the next year or two for mev and what are the kind of innovations in both mev on the engineering side as well as on the sort of research side that you're most excited about? Chris: In the short term it's more the hardening uh additional security guarantees. There's also a lot of ongoing research on pbs on simply slot finality but this is all on a multi-year horizon. Alex: I will be doing an episode focused on tornado and and what's happened since then for the zk space so you can look out for that.

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