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ekon talk is a weekly conversation about economics and liberty. This week, russ roberts talks with historian bret devere on the role of Rome in shaping modern society. i've always been interested in the complex dynamics of very large, complicated states says brett. We'd love to hear from you: email mal ateconta dot org or tweet us @ekontalk.

Historian Bret Devereaux of the University of North Carolina talks with EconTalk host Russ Roberts about our understanding of the ancient Greeks and Romans. Devereaux highlights the gap between the reality of Greece and Rome and how they're portrayed in popular culture. The conversation focuses on the diversity of ancient Rome and the military prowess of Sparta.