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The High Level Engagement at a Multilateral Conference
It's not about seeing deliverables, there are always me. What's more interesting is where the conversation is headed and how people are beginning to conceive of these problems. You see a willingness to embrace this kind of loss and damage idea on the agenda which hasn't been the case in the last several years. And then you see a lot of very technocratic engagement. It seems like we're on a trajectory now for a variety of reasons that don't have much to do with climate change.