Is There Really a Winner in Open Source Computing?

Anu Garg: I've never been able to fully understand like my conclusion is like there isn't one thing that like that caused them to win. Heptio got acquired for 585 million, but what if it's actually just the case that the failure mode in Maysa sphere is more obvious because it blew up in a more significant way? And how do you actually build Like a durable business on top of something like Kubernetes basis? It's not super clear to me what the path is to people who are not a part of one of those cloud providers and evenVM.