Yeah, so there's a lot of people who see the things you saw and just go along with it, right? There's a lot of people who know that maybe science, maybe medicine isn't so moral. And maybe there are some issues where it becomes a money making scheme and a industry. what made you have the courage to speak out? Because it seems like a recurring theme with your story is that anytime you see injustice, you have the courage to speak out and say something and do something. Where do you think that came from? Was it a parent? Was it an uncle? Was it a book? Was it something that maybe inspired you to that really helped you have this amazing courage and moral compass where when you saw injustice you had to do something. I

know I just experienced when I was young already as a student and as a doctor in hospital I was fighting with my boss. When I saw something which was in just I was speaking about it and I found out that when I do this. I'm always stronger. I'm stronger when I keep and when I stay to the truth, when I speak out, what I really believe, I'm strong. And when I have to be tricky and when I have to follow some, what should I say that I have success? Oh no, you're so weak then. So I experienced this very often and very often I lost things. I lost a job when I spoke out, but afterwards I got a better job and I was happy that I lost that job. And when I came to politics, I had many problems. I never was minister. I was never something, I was just doing very actively working on topics. And I tried to bring those topics to public and I was very successful. And I always had big troubles with my party or with other people. With the chancellor, with Schroeder, I had big trouble. He was from my party. He didn't want such guys like me just being an obstacle for biological and biogenetic development. He thought I was an obstacle for economic growth of Germany because I was saying, no, don't do this stem cell research with human stem cells. There's no use. And we had big struggles with such topics at the end of life, at the beginning of life. But I was, because I, I was always thinking what I was, what would be right. I felt strong, you know, and you can have a good life if you, if you want to gain riches and if you want to be more and more important. You have to want to be boss, want to be a minister, you want to be chancellor, you want to be whatever. You want to climb up the ladder of success. You have to make good impression. But when you make, you're just independent of all those people who know that you're lying and you're not free. You stay free when you do the things you really believe. When you say, speak to other things you really believe. And I think this makes you very strong. And I feel, I feel well when I do that. And when I lose something, yeah, okay, you have sometimes you have to just to leave things because you love them.

Yeah, it's really important to be able to look in the mirror and be happy with who you see and know that there is a sense of doing what's right. To me, I am much like you where if I see something that's wrong, I can't help but speak out because I feel guilty if I don't. I feel like I should have done something. I know that will eat me up inside. And I got kicked off YouTube during COVID lockdowns. I had Dr. Peter McCullough on, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Pierre Corey, Dr. Jessica Rose, Del Bigtree. A lot of these people are friends of yours. And they were similar to yourself. They had the courage to speak out and say stuff that wasn't popular to say. And at that time, people don't realize that it was causing a lot of friction in our personal lives, just being outspoken. We had friends of ours, people you work with, I mean, relatives, I ruined a couple holidays by just trying to spread some truth at the dinner table, just getting in little conflicts and arguments with people because people were so brainwashed with all this. From your perspective, because you've been in, like I said before, you see it from the political perspective, you also see it from the medical perspective, how did so many politicians, so many countries, so many governments, and so many doctors fall for this? Because I'm certain that many of them saw the same things we saw, that something wasn't right. Or do you think they did just go along with it and didn't ask questions? What's your perspective on that? that's something I get a lot when this was all happening the COVID lockdowns. People would look at me and they're like, how? How is everybody saying the same thing? So it must be true, it must be a real pandemic, there must be a real issue and a real emergency because look, they're shutting down and they're shutting down and they're shutting down. From your perspective, how do you think that all happened?

What we are made to think and what we are made to believe, what we see, what we see in television, what we hear in radio and what we see in most of the channels in YouTube and everywhere. They make a picture of the world and there are many people who are very rich, and not so many, but there are people who are very rich, and they just can buy the media, they can buy the journalists. And when they want to reach something, when they want to change the world up to their ideas, they just can invest money by newspapers, by television chains, by public relation firms, by lobby firms, influence politics. They pay the parties. There's a very, very intensive, institutional or systemic corruption. And I was working in Transparency International fighting corruption. For 10 years I was in the board of, after I left politics with the board of Transparency International, we were fighting corruption. I was also the boss of this working group on health. we did a lot of very useful things. We find out the mechanisms, how the doctors are bright. They get to, for instance, when there are new drugs and those new drugs are similar to those drugs we, they already use but they just have a different a small different change in their chemical structure and a different name and then but they have the same mechanism how they work. The doctors to put them on the market, the doctors are paid a lot of money that they don't use the drugs they used to use but that they use the new ones, and they get, they make such an observation study, they call it observation, and they get money for observing how the new drug is compared with the old drug. So they use the new drug, and 30% of the new drugs, of those drugs are brought into the market with such a systematic and legalized corruption. And when we see how their doctors were resistant against vaccinations against swine flu, the German government bought more than 50 million doses of swine flu vaccines in 2009. And there were only four million doses given to the people. So the doctors were very skeptical and they didn't use them. They said no we don't need it, it's not a serious pandemic, we see this and we know that this is a new drug, this is a new vaccine and it might be dangerous and so we don't give it to our patients. There was no, they were not bribed in that time, they did not get extra money for it and there was not such a big propaganda. And the other side, the pharmaceutical industry, WHO and all those people investing in this scam, they have learned from it. So they gave the doctor $30 for one injection in Germany. And the doctor says there's a lot of money if you have 40 patients a day, giving them injections, you can earn a house in within a year. You can earn a lot of money and this was very seducing for many doctors. And you know it's so difficult to see that you do something wrong. When it's depending, when the truth, when you to see the truth is depending on that you don't see what you do. So, does it and they just follow majority and they just they just stop thinking they just follow the money and this is a very effective way to to bribe masses of doctors and when you see all those judges in the courts who were who were sentencing the doctors who try to protect their patients from the masks and try to protect them from the injections and said I don't I give you and I give you some some certificate that you don't need it. And so on. And they were sentenced, they were punished and they were examined there. The police were coming to the awards and was horrible. What happened? And those doctors only tried to protect the patients. The judges, they said, Oh, because the government said it is necessary, so you did something wrong. Because the government said you have to do it. But a doctor should never follow any politician when he has to decide what is good for his patient. He has to find out the evidence. He has to find out what is science, what is what know about what is good and what is bad for the patient. And he has not to listen to the politicians, but the doctors and also the Chamber of Medicine, all this organization, all those professional organizations, they make pressure to the doctors. And the doctors who followed their ethical guidelines to help their patients, they got a lot of problems. They got lots of... if they would help their patients, they would be prosecuted. And they were prosecuted. And it was a very, very hard time. And if you want to be straight in that time, you want to be honest to your patients, you had to suffer a lot. As a doctor, so there was big, big pressure from all sides. There was a big corruption in the hospitals. They got so much extra money. You know, when they wrote, there was some accident breaking, bringing his arms, a motorbike accident. So there was a test. The hospital made a test. The test was positive. was a COVID-19 case where the test was positive. Although he didn't come because he had some problems with COVID-19. He had just a broken arm or broken leg. And when he died, he was a victim of COVID-19. And so they were counting all those cases. They were using the PCR test as they use it now with the cattle, with the birds, and with the patients. They tried again with this PCR test. They tried again to tell us there are cases. no use when you want to find out whether someone has an infection or whether someone has an infection that could be transported to other people or could be, how do you say, infections. So I think what we experience now is they try to do the same again and again. They try to with bird flu, swine flu and they tried to improve it and they invested more and more money to bribe all those people. They bought the media, they bought propaganda, they bribed the doctors, they bribed the hospitals and so they had a lot of success poisoning us with some unnecessary, dangerous genetic stuff. They injected into billions of people, horrible things we experienced from that. It was never really tried out. It was not really with... I was with Mike Jaden, who was the former director with Pfizer. In spring 2020, we wrote a letter to Ima, to the European medical agency and said stop this clinical trials they are of no use they have the wrong endpoint they have the wrong question they asking the wrong questions you cannot find out the right things. Stop this. But they didn't answer, so they didn't react. And they just went on with their emergency allowance, market allowance. And it had nothing to do with clinical studies. It had nothing to do with medicine. It was a counter What was done was installed by, and that was also marketed, or not even marketed, was distributed by military. In Germany there were soldiers going to Ainslieuens, soldiers going to centers for vaccination centers. They were carrying the stuff and there was some hired doctors who gave the injections. But was all it was the first year it was organized by military in Germany the whole thing it was in military action had nothing to do with medicine I don't know they were fighting their own people with this with this dangerous stuff and our governments allowed it and the governments tolerated it and now our government said oh all those people suffering from the side effects, no, it has nothing to do with injections. It's long COVID. No, people have those problems, those many symptoms, different symptoms. And they have been positive, have had a positive PCR test in the past, most of them had. And if they had a positive PCR test whatever happens all what happens the years after that it's long COVID and if it's a side effect of the injection it's long COVID. It's such a lie and they earn again they earn money with this diagnosis with all those those nonsense they do with their patients lying to their patients. And the doctors get money or money again. When they follow those lies and when they treat all those people for long, you can earn a lot of money. that I'm very tired of those many lies and those many ways to cheat people and I'm so sad about all those victims. I observed about all those people who were just victims of this propaganda and this very very criminal act where their governments were involved, where David H. O. was involved, where the judges didn't protect them, the state authorities didn't protect them, the police was forcing them even to follow. And it was the teachers were mistreating their pupils with must. And it was so horrible to observe all this nonsense. And I hope many, many people are getting a good up and say, and they start standing on the street. And when someone starts making a PC artist, they start laughing at them.

It's funny because for many years, people would look back at World War II and Nazi Germany and they would think to themselves how could you convince all these Germans of this how can you convince these people of this and now we realize like wow there's a lot of people during Covid that I'm like if you grew up in Germany you would be falling for the propaganda as quickly as you would now, you know, and it's it shows just the power of propaganda, you know, you go back to the work of Edward Bernays and and understanding how to manipulate people and and really tap into people subconscious, but people also don't realize that pharma, when you see every other commercial as a pharmaceutical commercial, then that means that they're paying the salary of the people who are supposed to be giving you the news, which means they're bought and paid for. They're owned and controlled, and they have huge incentive in making sure they suppress any stories that might paint a negative picture on the pharmaceutical world. And the same way that the military industrial complex can convince the media, it can convince politicians, to tell you that this war is good. I know we messed up and lied about the last one, but this one is a just war. Promise me, we're promising you. just take her word for it. Pharma can do the same thing. They have the same amount, if not more influence over the media and politicians. And, you know, that's scary because people are only as good as the information they have access to and when that information is being controlled, then you control the people. You control, perspectives and opinions. And I've had Zach Voreez on who is a Google whistleblower, and he talked about some of the things that Google would suppress on the search engine. And some of them were alternative medicines, homeopathic medicines, natural cures, any of these type of terms they were suppressing and something that you've talked about on other interviews, which I love because it's something that I constantly talk about and was talking about during COVID is how important it is for us to be exposed to viruses and germs and all these type of things. I always use the example. What's that?

It's so normal, you know, there is biology. We are a product of biology. Biology is communication, communication of molecules, communication we have with all the the the microbium which is around us we with this there are more cells living on us than we have and we we are we exchanging all those cell there are 10 10 million passengers going around the world with planes each day exchanging all them their microbes and it's just so normal for us. It has grown. And when the planes were so fast, the exchange was was speeded up. And our immune system managed all this. We go to all countries all over the world. And we are supposed to just strange viruses we never met before. And we come back, we are bronzed. we had a nice holiday and there's nothing. And when you go around the towns there is no pandemic. There have never been people suddenly just so many people just missing their job or being in a hospital overcrowded. No, this didn't happen. We saw in the news, but we saw very, very dramatic pictures of coffins, and and of intensive care. It's just stories they make up. It's just the cameras they put there. It's just people, they let them make interviews with horrifying stories. But just trust your senses. Go into the hospitals. They are like all the time they have been more empty during the pandemic than before. And when you observe this regularly, I was, when you're in public health, you know all those monitoring systems which are monitoring the health of people. There are so many, you can find out how many respiratory diseases, how many people go to a hospital with what diagnosis, and you can follow all this in all countries anytime. And there was nothing to be seen. And in the newspapers there was a big story, there was oh and northern Italy people were, they mistreated people in some places, they mistreated people in New York hospitals. They killed people. They took old people more than 80 years in intensive care station in Italy and they killed them because they had to be at home. And if they have a flu, okay, it's much better treated. If you have a pneumonia in your 80, stay at home. Have a good doctor who gives you the right oxygen or you have to give you the right antibiotics. But don't there are so many studies about that. It's much more that the hospital is a dangerous place. And when you go to a hospital, because you're afraid of some pandemic or so, you expose yourself to risks that you would have never met before. And it's dangerous. And in many hospitals, people were killed. They were killed in Midasolam, they were killed in Great Britain, they were killed with ventilators, were killed with overdose of hydroxychloroquine. Hydroxychloroquine may be good for many, I was working with rheumatic patients, they got hydroxychloroquine, I was working with malaria, they were getting hydroxychloroquine in certain doses, but they took 10 times the dose, and I knew that it was toxic, that the heart would starve, that they'd get extra cystals, that they get extra beats with your heart and your heart may make it crazy and stop beating and you die from overdose and they just made a program, they had studies with thousands of participants, they made studies with overdosing hydroxyapacute in that time and when we spoke about it they stopped it. They stopped the studies because they they have recognized that we that we got after them that we have understood what they do. They were afraid that we would point with our fingers at them but they did it. They killed people but make us afraid to show us people dying and to tell us this is pandemic. And they know they kill people with injections, with genetic modifying them and making trombosis, making all those damage in the brains, making damage everywhere in the immune system. People get more infections than ever, more cancer than ever. They die, the young people die from cancer, which didn't happen before, because the immune system has been damaged by those genetic injections. And they tell us this Islam poet, we don't know, they find out other reasons why people are too fat and it is what they eat and they eat them and so make up stories. And they never go after this one story, which is the most important. Did they get the shots? Or didn't they just forget this question? They bypass it because they would have to deal with it. They would have to find out what happened. All this started in summer 2021. And since then we have all those big problems. And this is just the time. And the people were having those dangerous shots who were called vaccinations, who never were vaccinations, who are modifying injections, experimental things and it was just a bio warfare thing what they did with the people. And this is how can we do? We have those politicians who were doing this, they're still there and they are all, they all, perhaps some of them didn't understand what they were doing with some did some you We have to find out who knew it

Well, I know Newsom knew it while he was telling everybody to wear masks and stay away from their families and friends and then spend Holidays alone and isolated. He was hanging out at vineyards and having parties I know the same thing was happening in the UK with other politicians It's wild, I mean, and the crazy thing is there's so many whistleblowers, I had, you spoke about the New York hospital, I had, you know, her name's Erin Marie, she worked at the UN, or the New York hospital at the time, she was outspoken that people were dying from the ventilators, not from anything else. And the crazy thing is people like her who had the courage to go to work every day during the pandemic, while the news is feeding you all this propaganda, while the news is showing you in China, people just dying in the streets and just collapsing and just force feeding you this fear And nobody ever asks like, hey, what happened to those videos? Like who like how can we never, how can you show those videos without really being certain that that were that it was people dying of COVID because obviously we know now it wasn't, but people like her spoke out and you know what happened? She got censored. They did a short documentary on her. It got censored. Mickey Willis did the pandemic documentary with Dr. Judy Mykovich and all the people on that documentary. And they got censored. Mickey Willis got, it was the only episode of my show that ever got us. Actually, I think Mickey Willis and Del Bigtree both disappeared from iTunes. So for some reason, those episodes, you couldn't listen to them turn 2020 and 2021. And, you know, it was just insane that people still, you know, for such a long time while this evidence was being suppressed, people were still falling for it. But in a way, you almost feel bad for them. Because like you said, you're being force fed case numbers, you're being force fed, you know, which doesn't mean anything. If Kerry Mullis was alive to push back against using his PCR test as a way, a method of describing somebody as sick, he would push back against that. He wasn't a Dr. Fauci fan from back in the day. I'm sure you're familiar with Dr. Peter Duesberg and some of his work in regards to questioning the link between HIV and AIDS, but he was on a Rogan podcast, episode I think 282, way back in the day. He was on a Joe Rogan podcast, and he talked about AZT killing people, and how it was the drugs that were possibly killing people, and this link between HIV and AIDS was blown out of proportion. So history doesn't always repeat, but it rhymes. You see a lot of similarities, and in many cases, even similar faces and personalities and culprits in these stories, and that's thing, similar things have happened. Swine flu, the swine flu had a vaccine that harmed a lot of people and was taken off the market. This was advertised as a vaccine, but like you said, it was gene therapy, it wasn't a traditional vaccine. And then also what you were hitting on, hitting on without the long COVID, that's something that I think many of us have been skeptical of like that term and how scientific that term is, and is there any evidence that it's linked to COVID? And I've been skeptical at thinking that it probably was a way of hiding vaccine adverse reactions. Is that?

Just have a look to the WHO definition of the ICD code. The ICD code of lung COVID, if you just look at it, it's if someone had a positive PCR test in the past and he has certain symptoms, which is a big variety of symptoms. So many, I don't know how I cannot number them. In the meantime, it's about more than 100 different symptoms in the brain, in the guts, wherever. And if he has had a positive PCR test, they look for long COVID. And so, and there's a second diagnosis, there is a COVID where the virus was found. This is positive PCR test. But there was also COVID diagnosis when the PCR test was negative and there was somebody with the flu symptoms and he had contact with someone who had a positive PCR test. This was also COVID. And so, you know, when you once had this diagnosis COVID, everything, every illness you get, whatever injections you get, whatever side effects make happen, it is then just, they just look for a long COVID. they can use this diagnosis because they are right because the PCR test was positive some years ago and they have symptoms now. They can just put it in this bucket and they just can earn money with it. They just can distract us from what the real causes are. There's no differential diagnosis anymore if you're well paid for the diagnosis for COVID, for the long COVID.