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Klaus-Dieter Mathes: Mahamudra and Shentong (#147)
The Wisdom Podcast
The Ultimate Is Not Empty of Swabhava, Right?
Dopopa says the ultimate is not empty of itself, whereas cars and cups or all conventional phenomena are empty of themselves. The emptiness of swabhava is restricted to the level of relative truth,. Only relative truth is wrong tongue, and the ultimate truth is shantong. So if something which is beyond space and time has a sva-bava, so what? But I like the view of the Chernok pass because for them, the ultimate is something also beyond space andTime. It's not really something real in any way.
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