Mike Fisher former CTO of Etsy and John Michel-Amu former CTO but last year talked about failures to get platform teams off the ground. Do you sense that the same thing is happening with platform teams or not? That's a good question I think it's possible that some organizations are creating too many platform teams in fact just recently I did a little bit short engagement with a really large fashion retailer who had already all these platform teams. Start by doing enabling work which is going to first provide value to the teams because you're on the ground with them improve their skills even if it's just improving awareness around things like security improved your awareness around server ability and other things that they want to