The power of the church is in christ often that is in weakness. It is in foolishness, right? This is all the message of corinthians, right? Is that what looks as powerful, what looks like, what wisdom the world can be, foolishness inte in the gospel?" And so we have to actually be faithful in our own lives as individuals and as institutions before we actually aand certainly as we try to point the finger anywhere else," he says.

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