"I'm trying to help right now actually, at great personal risk. If we can't talk about it honestly, you can't do anything," he says of the Black Lives Matter movement. "It seems like for whatever reason, there's a leadership vacuum there,. And I think the biggest problem is that they have painted themselves as people who can't succeed in the current system."

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