Jesse Michels examines UFO claims from former intelligence official David Grusch, the role of venture capital, and how private investment is shaping the UFO research landscape. We discuss misinformation, scientific implications, and the challenges of studying an elusive phenomenon.

- 00:00:55 - Interviewing David Grusch
- 00:09:00 - Fight against misinformation in UFO studies
- 00:13:07 - Intersection of consciousness and parapsychology
- 00:16:24 - String theory and physics
- 00:20:46 - Jesse's relationship with Grusch
- 00:25:59 - Reverse engineering programs (greatest PSYOP)
- 00:37:00 - Oppenheimer's involvement in UFO research?
- 00:51:00 - Theories behind UFO crashes
- 01:20:00 - Lessons from investment failures
- 01:41:53 - UFOs and the private sector (Wilson memo, AATIP)
- 01:50:01 - Unseen parts of Grusch interview (Penrose, multiverses)
- 02:03:05 - Best evidence for UFOs
- 02:10:23 - Mystery of Edward Leedskallen (Coral Stone Park)
- 02:22:08 - Anomalies pointing to new scientific paradigms
- 02:35:03 - Catastrophic predictions for 2024 from Grusch
- 02:38:32 - Criticism from Avi Loeb
- 02:52:59 - Advice for studying the phenomenon
- 03:00:17 - Curt's disappointment in UFO revelations

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RESOURCES:

- YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdDM8YyV7RA
- Doc w/ David Grusch on Jesse Michels (YouTube): https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw
- Jesse Michels (YouTube Channel): https://www.youtube.com/@JesseMichels
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- Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World (René Girard): https://amzn.to/490VKb6
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- Podcast w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson on TOE: https://youtu.be/HhWWlJFwTqs
- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE: https://youtu.be/MQnGcX7oxms
- Documentary on connections in the 1950s with quantum gravity research and anti-gravity or UFOs: https://youtu.be/eBA3RUxkZdc
- Podcast w/ Jacques Vallee on TOE: https://youtu.be/uVo51khU8AE
- News Nation Interview with Ross: https://youtu.be/x_9gTDXF9Vc
- UFOs and Nukes documentary: https://youtu.be/jyTKETcxj0M
- The Hunt for Zero Point (Nick Cook): https://amzn.to/3rPkUZQ
- The Stars Are Too High (Agnew Banson): https://amzn.to/408nMNZ
- Podcast w/ Hal Puthoff on Jesse's channel: https://youtu.be/iQOibpIDx-4
- Podcast w/ Avi Loeb on TOE: https://youtu.be/4j5S_-MCWq4
- Podcast w/ Leslie Kane on TOE: https://youtu.be/j1fN5Gxm9fk
- Podcast w/ Jeffrey Mishlove on TOE: https://youtu.be/VFpHk9WqCrY
- Why the Soylent Green Creator Went to Goat Farm: https://youtu.be/HUGNqAyBUDw
- Podcast w/ Ross Coulthart on TOE (Part 1): https://youtu.be/JM3kxeU_oDE
- Podcast w/ John Greenwald on TOE: https://youtu.be/NzXPsWQqoYw
- Theo Von's channel: https://youtu.be/1cziCepYeEM?t=4673
- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI
- Podcast w/ Michael Levin on TOE: https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc

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