As you say, every single thing is thought of and, you know, they've got that tree there that was used in No Man's Land where they sketch a tree, they take it down, they put in a factory and then they've got people in there being able to remain in that. Well, you would have

been Churchill to snap me up in a second because you are... He liked people that think in wiggly lines. He didn't want the people who think in straight lines. And you are one of those people. Your brain is so fascinating. You would be constantly coming up with amazing innovations and different ideas and ways of doing things. Something else I wanted to ask you about because I heard it in a recent podcast, yours, and it reminded me of Tintin, where Professor Calculus is always doing these. This bull lightning. You really do the counts. What's going on there?

It's really weird. I'd never heard of this before. So I had a guest on my show called Ella Al-Shamahi. She's an anthropologist, really cool, really badass, goes into Yemen and places like that. She's on the pod. Has she, right? Very cool. And I was asking her, you know, because she's a very rational kind of person. So I was trying to find that little bit of weirdness in her. And she said, when I was a kid, my mum told me this story that she was in the house and suddenly through the window, this ball of lightning just came in, went all over the house and then shot back out again. There's two stories that her family tells. And I'm not sure she's settled on which one was right. The first time she told me, she said, it came in through one door, her auntie saw it coming, opened up the other door, and we went back out the house again. But it's a real thing. It's a real phenomena, this idea of ball lightning. And there's a few scientists and historians who are studying accounts from history where it's been reported.

No one really knows what it is. There's a bunch of theories, but... You get in naval locks, don't you?

Yeah. That's where I've come across it. And like a monk recorded it on the Thames. I mean, again, so cool. William Haslett's there. You've got ball lightning recorded by monks down the road. It's something to do with energy that we honestly don't know, which is it's just a phenomena which... And people have accounts where they have no reason just to make stuff up. They just say, I was in my house. This ball came down. It was stopped in front of my face as if it was like looking at me. And then it just bounced around and went away and they had singed hair and everything. It's like, there's no reason for them to make it up because they even heard of ball lightning. That's not how you get in the papers. So scientists have been looking into it. It's not a pressing matter, bizarrely, because it's quite rare. I think we should

get to some kind of

answer. Yeah, exactly right. That's what I kept asking them. I was like, so you're making this a priority in the right? It's just an interesting thing to look at. Crack on. I can see why there's so little time for them to focus their attention on things like ghosts and stuff like that, because there's so many natural phenomena that remains a mystery to the world of science, like ball lightning, that you go, well, get in the queue, ghosts. We have actual accounts. Yeah, we've got

much more to it. Rather than just made up Jane Austen type people walking around. Yeah,

exactly. There's ball lightning. There's ball lightning. So you're telling me there is no scientific explanation for ball lightning? I think there's a few theories, but none of them stack up entirely because it's such a rare phenomena that we don't know. It's kind of like one thing I wanted to point out about how mysterious everything is on our planet. It goes from things as big as do ghosts exist. Or is there an afterlife? Is there a god? You know, all that stuff all the way down to the fact that scientists can't agree, why when you're in the shower, the shower curtain billows in towards you. They just don't have a solid answer for it. There are four competing theories at the moment, which say, oh, it's because of this effect, it's this effect, but it doesn't answer all the things that are needed to make sure that's a thing. So next time you're in the shower, if there's a shower curtain coming in towards you, we have no idea why. We've got basic idea, but there's no agreed reason for it. That's very worrying. Yeah, but it goes all the way from as big as God to shower curtains. Yeah. Yeah.

You know what, speaking of ball lightning, I was once asked to present a TV show when I was in my early twenties, and it was basically some natural phenomena. And the tagline was filming the impossible. And I was like, there's a problem here. Yeah, guys, which is this episode, ball lightning. What do I do? You can hang around in like lightning, he places. That's what's so exciting about the stuff. It's actually still very difficult to capture on camera.

Yeah, exactly.