I don't come from an entrepreneurial family or even a community where being an entrepreneur was something, um, you, anyone I knew did. So it wasn't a big dream of mine to become an entrepreneur. It took me probably 10 years of being an entrepreneur before I started identifying myself as one, as well. The acquisition was at the acquisition of Skype that kind of unlocked the market. And then you sold the company to eBay. Can you talk through like your initial entrepreneurial endeavors at that point? You had a bunch of different side hustles in that project.

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