"We have been moralized with this idea of how bad it is to think that that's not spiritual," he says. "The farthest we try to go into heaven to try to find the divine, the farther we are from it" The demon was created like 1,300 years ago? It didn't exist before. He believes in a trickster demon God trying to test us and trick us in the universe. 'That doesn't make any sense'

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