In the last few weeks we've had Joe Rogan who's attempting to broker some sort of debate between Peter Hotez and RFK junior. There are two entrenched sides as you say, who are so deep in the quagmire of this question that they will shout over the wall at each other. I think underlying all of these debates is that we at least sometimes get to the science in some public forums but almost everywhere across American media we don't talk about the corporate power of pharmaceutical companies.

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