If I was in echo shoes and I didn't pay my phone bill and it got cut off I would think I was a loser. That's like my Perspective instead of saying all right. What's the situation? He's in how did he end up here? How come he doesn't understand those things? If you interact with other human beings You're in a leadership position because you're trying to lead them To do the right thing to move in the right direction. As a leader and as a person, these two terms for me are kind of interchangeable.