Speaker 2
And, you know, one of the central points of disagreement so far has been whether this amounted to the communication of classified information. And I'm curious, coming at this as a reporter well-versed in cybersecurity, is there anything about that discussion that has surprised you? You know, how do you parse those sort of competing claims? Well,
Speaker 1
I think it's very interesting because, of course, this article came out on Monday ahead of two previously scheduled hearings that were held by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday and then then the House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday, and in which case, multiple people who were in this group chat, the director of the CIA, John Ratcliffe, and the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, were set to testify. And that became this concern around what does classified information mean versus not became a key issue that they were both forced to address over the course of several hours in front of lawmakers. And I think critically, the first of those hearings was before the Atlantic chose to release the full pictures, screenshots of the actual signal chat. And so the second day when they came and testified, once members of Congress had been able to see really everything that was in there, it became, I think, much harder for both of those individuals to defend whether or not it was classified. In particular, one long message that the Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, posted in the chat, which detailed the exact times and places of this actual strike that took place in Yemen aimed against the Houthis. And really, in multiple different exchanges during these hearings, both Director Gabbard and Director Ratcliffe seemed like they were kind of trying to wiggle around the question of if it was classified or not. Both were very clear it was sensitive. But really, one thing that emerged in both hearings is that they were both clearly trying to deflect blame onto the Pentagon, both citing multiple times that the Pentagon could decide what was classified or not, and that their own agencies had their own decisions on that matter. But I think, you know, just having covered this space quite a bit, I think there's a very good case to be made and was made, especially by Democratic members of those committees, that this information was classified in nature. And I will say, as a reporter who's worked on and off Capitol Hill for the last eight years, I have never been privy to information like this.