i was actually arguing against mike baker, my sager. Just, is dismissive anything am. So i agree with joe, i'm against my just, maty, good point argguing against them though. But it's so qa, well, i don't understand tha, the logic of a mike baker,. Was that joe, no, ju joe. Joe's position was, they care. Theyd care. Oh, they i think they do care. Maybe am take like a a who was the guy who thought the aninachy am sichin? Yes, zacharia sichin.